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I know that a PhD is necessary to enter academia which means you can find a better job and get salary.

But, how about doing a Habilitation in Germany? Does it have any positive impact on the career or financial situation as an international student?

For instance, say someone is barely employed. So, he is supposed to get an "actual" job after the completion of his PhD. But, can he postpone getting the job until he completes his Habilitation? What would be the financial implication?

  • For instance, say someone is barely employed. So, he is supposed to get an "actual" job after the completion of his PhD. – What do you mean by “supposed” and “‘actual’ job”? PhD positions are usually actual jobs and postdoc positions even more so. What are the alternatives you have to consider: academia vs. industry vs. unemployment? How much money do you need to make in what time span due to what reason? Please edit your question to clarify. – Wrzlprmft Apr 14 at 13:10
  • @Wrzlprmft, PhD positions are not always paid in Germany. – user366312 Apr 14 at 13:17
  • @user366312: Let us continue this discussion in chat. – Wrzlprmft Apr 14 at 15:22
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You have to distinguish things here:

  1. A Habilitation is a qualification level (not quite like an academic degree but you can think that it is sort of a grand PhD with additional teaching). This does not mean that you have to be employed but in most cases you will be because otherwise it is going to be a bit difficult to finance your life for the time it takes (normally 4-8 years)
  2. A Habilitation used to be the formal qualification level to become Associate Professor and Full Professor. The position of an Assistant Professor (German "Universitätsassistent") was usually the time when you worked on obtaining the Habilitation. Today most job advertisements do not ask for a Habiliation anymore. Instead it states something like "Habilitation or equivalent qualification". This allows hiring of international professors.
  3. In daily university life a Habilitation might still be of significant advantage. You (sadly) still hear phrases like "This guys does not even have a Habilitation - what does he even want". Also nobody will questions your ability to supervise students if you have the Habilitation (you can also without but it definitly still helps)
  4. In non-academic jobs as in industry you will certainly not need a Habilitation. It might rather be a disadvantage as you will be seen as overqualified.
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Your question is a bit unclear (see @Wrzlprmft's comment) and I hope to resolve the confusion. Practically doing a habilitation is very similar to a PhD in Germany. You are hired by a professor and conduct/manage research projects (and you often have the duty to teach).

The difference is you are expected to work very autonomously, acquire funding as PI, supervise PhD students and develop your own research ideas. The professor/university more or less borrow you infrastructure (offices/devices).

The implication is, if you have managed to write and defend a habilitation thesis after some years, you are over-qualified for much more jobs in comparison to "only" having a PhD.

Giving a general answer, how this pays off in industry/academia depends more on the current demand in your field of research. But it's crucial to anticipate that if you don't get tenure as a professor with habilitation (and there is a high likelihood it distinct branches), there are nearly no other positions in the German academic system where your habilitation is an advantage (rather disadvantage). In industry you are then seen as someone who wants to develop his own ideas, manage projects, be autonomous and is maybe hard to integrate in a bigger team as small wheel number #.

The questions here is not to ask what is the hypothetical virtual better pay-off. The question is which kind of person you are. Many people are just not suited to lead, supervise and manage teams (under strong competition) and even when attaining such a position will not be successfully in it long-term. If you are only looking for the bigger pay off and you are an autonomous person, industry is anyway the way to go (at least in Germany where professors cannot have a salary of several hundred thousands)

  • @user366312 if you only target academia, then my argumentation concerning which type of person you are applies in my opinion even more. Someone with a habilitation is unlikely to be hired for a non-professor position at a german university, because such positions are of very different type concerning the personality ("Akademischer Rat", responsible for bigger experimental device,...) in comparison to a leader/manager. You cannot postpone a job offer of a university for several years the habilitation will need... – user48953094 Apr 14 at 13:33
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    there are nearly no other positions in the German academic system where your habilitation is an advantage (rather disadvantage) – Not to forget that there are nearly no other permanent positions (that do not require a habilitation or equivalent) in Germany at all. – Wrzlprmft Apr 14 at 13:39
  • @Wrzlprmft correct, unfortunately :-) In France, UK, US there are much more permanent teaching positions to my knowledge. There is a reason Germany produces more PhD's than most other countries, as these temporary positions keep up the academic operation without the existing associate/assistant professors in other countries. – user48953094 Apr 14 at 13:44
  • Just to clarify from your answer, are you saying that having a habilitation is viewed as a positive in industry? Is there industry jobs in Germany that actually require or at least prefer a habilitation holder? I always assumed that habilitation belongs exclusively to the academic world, and that industry circles don't even know of the title (as in: why should they if it does not apply to industry and does not award you a formal degree). – penelope Apr 15 at 11:01
  • @penelope the last paragraph is meant to make a decision between habilitation and industry, habilitation for industry jobs (due to time needed, over-qualification) is even more worse in industry. I'm not aware of any jobs requiring/recommending it, the title Priv.-Doz. which comes with succesful habilitation is only shown in academic circles, unlike PhD/Dr. or Prof. – user48953094 Apr 15 at 11:12

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