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In Europe, we judge students based on their work and abilities. How are their grades? Do they have relevant work experience (TA/RA, maybe part-time industry work, etc)? What projects have they done? What courses have they taken? And of course the odd recommendation letter is always a nice bonus.

We expect students to write up a summary of all these things (it's called a resumé) upon which they are to be judged, and further detailed inquiry can then be made during a possible interview process.

However, as I understand it, it seems to be quite different in the USA, where it matters less who you are and what you can actually do, but more how many professors you are able to suck up to. Reference letters is all that matters. Be a mediocre student, but have a good friendship with Professor Abstract Algebra? You're as good as made. Be a fantastic student, but be a bit shy or having done most of your work independently of the professors? Tough luck.

Why have Americans chosen to put so much weight into recommendation letters?

I am particularly bemused by so many of the questions on this very site where professors come to talk about awkward situations where they are being forced to write a recommendation letter for some student that they don't even know. Who the heck is Robert James? I lecture forto hundreds of students, for Christ's sake!

Or when you in turn get students here asking for questions about how to approach a professor they've spoken very little to all year and ask them to write a recommendation letter. Such situations look like a bad joke, really.

And yes, I get it. One day, one time, you'll get a fantastic reference letter from a professor who actually knows and has worked with a particular student, and that reference letter will give you a better understanding of the capabilities and experiences of this student. I get that. But that's only part of the whole process here in Europe - that's: That's the bonus I mentioned in my first paragraph, but we don't make it our everything. We realize that most students, regardless of skill, won't be able to get good rec-letters, and we realize that most students that dosome people might get goodluckier with recommendation letters, are more likely to be outspoken lickspittles than good studentsothers.

So why aredo Americans put so obsessed with recommendationmuch weight on recommendation letters?

In Europe, we judge students based on their work and abilities. How are their grades? Do they have relevant work experience (TA/RA, maybe part-time industry work, etc)? What projects have they done? What courses have they taken? And of course the odd recommendation letter is always a nice bonus.

We expect students to write up a summary of all these things (it's called a resumé) upon which they are to be judged, and further detailed inquiry can then be made during a possible interview process.

However, as I understand it, it seems to be quite different in the USA, where it matters less who you are and what you can actually do, but more how many professors you are able to suck up to. Reference letters is all that matters. Be a mediocre student, but have a good friendship with Professor Abstract Algebra? You're as good as made. Be a fantastic student, but be a bit shy or having done most of your work independently of the professors? Tough luck.

Why have Americans chosen to put so much weight into recommendation letters?

I am particularly bemused by so many of the questions on this very site where professors come to talk about awkward situations where they are being forced to write a recommendation letter for some student that they don't even know. Who the heck is Robert James? I lecture for hundreds of students, for Christ's sake!

Or when you in turn get students here asking for questions about how to approach a professor they've spoken very little to all year and ask them to write a recommendation letter. Such situations look like a bad joke, really.

And yes, I get it. One day, one time, you'll get a fantastic reference letter from a professor who actually knows and has worked with a particular student, and that reference letter will give you a better understanding of the capabilities and experiences of this student. I get that. But that's only part of the whole process here in Europe - that's the bonus I mentioned in my first paragraph, but we don't make it our everything. We realize that most students, regardless of skill, won't be able to get good rec-letters, and we realize that most students that do get good letters, are more likely to be outspoken lickspittles than good students.

So why are Americans so obsessed with recommendation letters?

In Europe, we judge students based on their work and abilities. How are their grades? Do they have relevant work experience (TA/RA, maybe part-time industry work, etc)? What projects have they done? What courses have they taken? And of course the odd recommendation letter is always a nice bonus.

We expect students to write up a summary of all these things (it's called a resumé) upon which they are to be judged, and further detailed inquiry can then be made during a possible interview process.

However, as I understand it, it seems to be quite different in the USA. Reference letters is all that matters. Be a mediocre student, but have a good friendship with Professor Abstract Algebra? You're as good as made. Be a fantastic student, but be a bit shy or having done most of your work independently of the professors? Tough luck.

I am particularly bemused by so many of the questions on this very site where professors come to talk about awkward situations where they are being forced to write a recommendation letter for some student that they don't even know. Who the heck is Robert James? I lecture to hundreds of students, for Christ's sake!

Or when you in turn get students here asking for questions about how to approach a professor they've spoken very little to all year and ask them to write a recommendation letter.

And yes, I get it. One day, one time, you'll get a fantastic reference letter from a professor who actually knows and has worked with a particular student, and that reference letter will give you a better understanding of the capabilities and experiences of this student. I get that. But that's only part of the whole process here in Europe: That's the bonus I mentioned in my first paragraph, but we don't make it our everything. We realize that some people might get luckier with recommendation letters than others.

So why do Americans put so much weight on recommendation letters?

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In Europe, we judge students based on their work and abilities. How are their grades? Do they have relevant work experience (TA/RA, maybe part-time industry work, etc)? What projects have they done? What courses have they taken? And of course the odd recommendation letter is always a nice bonus.

We expect students to write up a summary of all these things (it's called a resumé) upon which they are to be judged, and further detailed inquiry can then be made during a possible interview process.

However, as II understand it, it seems to be quite different in the US of AUSA, where it matters less who you are and what you can actually do, but more how many professors you are able to suck up to. Reference letters is all that matters. Be a mediocre student, but have a good friendship with Professor Abstract Algebra? You're as good as made. Be a fantastic student, but be a bit shy or having done most of your work independently of the professors? Tough luck.

Why have Americans chosen to put so much weight into recommendation letters?

I am particularly bemused by so many of the questions on this very site where professors come to talk about awkward situations where they are being forced to write a recommendation letter for some student that they don't even know. Who the hellheck is Robert James? I lecture for hundreds of students, for christ'sChrist's sake!

Or when you in turn get students here asking for questions about how to approach a professor they've spoken two wordsvery little to all year and ask them to write a recommendation letter. Seriously, the whole system isSuch situations look like a bad joke, really.

And yes, I get it. One day, one time, you'll get a fantastic reference letter from a professor who actually knows and has worked with a particular student, and that reference letter will give you a better understanding of the capabilities and experiences of this student. I get that. But guess what? *We have that in Europe too. That'sthat's only part of the whole process here in Europe - that's the bonus I mentioned in my first pharagraph. But unlike you guysparagraph, but we don't make it our everything. We realize that most students, regardless of skill, won't be able to get good rec-letters, and we realize that most students that do get good letters, are more likely to be outspoken asslickerslickspittles than good students.

So why doare Americans insist on thisso obsessed with recommendation letter obsessionletters?

In Europe, we judge students based on their work and abilities. How are their grades? Do they have relevant work experience (TA/RA, maybe part-time industry work, etc)? What projects have they done? What courses have they taken? And of course the odd recommendation letter is always a nice bonus.

We expect students to write up a summary of all these things (it's called a resumé) upon which they are to be judged, and further detailed inquiry can then be made during a possible interview process.

However, as I understand it, it seems to be quite different in the US of A, where it matters less who you are and what you can actually do, but more how many professors you are able to suck up to. Reference letters is all that matters. Be a mediocre student, but have a good friendship with Professor Abstract Algebra? You're as good as made. Be a fantastic student, but be a bit shy or having done most of your work independently of the professors? Tough luck.

Why have Americans chosen to put so much weight into recommendation letters?

I am particularly bemused by so many of the questions on this very site where professors come to talk about awkward situations where they are being forced to write a recommendation letter for some student that they don't even know. Who the hell is Robert James? I lecture for hundreds of students for christ's sake!

Or when you in turn get students here asking for questions about how to approach a professor they've spoken two words to all year and ask them to write a recommendation letter. Seriously, the whole system is a bad joke.

And yes, I get it. One day, one time, you'll get a fantastic reference letter from a professor who actually knows and has worked with a particular student, and that reference letter will give you a better understanding of the capabilities and experiences of this student. I get that. But guess what? *We have that in Europe too. That's the bonus I mentioned in my first pharagraph. But unlike you guys, we don't make it our everything. We realize that most students, regardless of skill, won't be able to get good rec-letters, and we realize that most students that do get good letters, are more likely to be outspoken asslickers than good students.

So why do Americans insist on this recommendation letter obsession?

In Europe, we judge students based on their work and abilities. How are their grades? Do they have relevant work experience (TA/RA, maybe part-time industry work, etc)? What projects have they done? What courses have they taken? And of course the odd recommendation letter is always a nice bonus.

We expect students to write up a summary of all these things (it's called a resumé) upon which they are to be judged, and further detailed inquiry can then be made during a possible interview process.

However, as I understand it, it seems to be quite different in the USA, where it matters less who you are and what you can actually do, but more how many professors you are able to suck up to. Reference letters is all that matters. Be a mediocre student, but have a good friendship with Professor Abstract Algebra? You're as good as made. Be a fantastic student, but be a bit shy or having done most of your work independently of the professors? Tough luck.

Why have Americans chosen to put so much weight into recommendation letters?

I am particularly bemused by so many of the questions on this very site where professors come to talk about awkward situations where they are being forced to write a recommendation letter for some student that they don't even know. Who the heck is Robert James? I lecture for hundreds of students, for Christ's sake!

Or when you in turn get students here asking for questions about how to approach a professor they've spoken very little to all year and ask them to write a recommendation letter. Such situations look like a bad joke, really.

And yes, I get it. One day, one time, you'll get a fantastic reference letter from a professor who actually knows and has worked with a particular student, and that reference letter will give you a better understanding of the capabilities and experiences of this student. I get that. But that's only part of the whole process here in Europe - that's the bonus I mentioned in my first paragraph, but we don't make it our everything. We realize that most students, regardless of skill, won't be able to get good rec-letters, and we realize that most students that do get good letters, are more likely to be outspoken lickspittles than good students.

So why are Americans so obsessed with recommendation letters?

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Why do Americans care so much about recommendation letters?

In Europe, we judge students based on their work and abilities. How are their grades? Do they have relevant work experience (TA/RA, maybe part-time industry work, etc)? What projects have they done? What courses have they taken? And of course the odd recommendation letter is always a nice bonus.

We expect students to write up a summary of all these things (it's called a resumé) upon which they are to be judged, and further detailed inquiry can then be made during a possible interview process.

However, as I understand it, it seems to be quite different in the US of A, where it matters less who you are and what you can actually do, but more how many professors you are able to suck up to. Reference letters is all that matters. Be a mediocre student, but have a good friendship with Professor Abstract Algebra? You're as good as made. Be a fantastic student, but be a bit shy or having done most of your work independently of the professors? Tough luck.

Why have Americans chosen to put so much weight into recommendation letters?

I am particularly bemused by so many of the questions on this very site where professors come to talk about awkward situations where they are being forced to write a recommendation letter for some student that they don't even know. Who the hell is Robert James? I lecture for hundreds of students for christ's sake!

Or when you in turn get students here asking for questions about how to approach a professor they've spoken two words to all year and ask them to write a recommendation letter. Seriously, the whole system is a bad joke.

And yes, I get it. One day, one time, you'll get a fantastic reference letter from a professor who actually knows and has worked with a particular student, and that reference letter will give you a better understanding of the capabilities and experiences of this student. I get that. But guess what? *We have that in Europe too. That's the bonus I mentioned in my first pharagraph. But unlike you guys, we don't make it our everything. We realize that most students, regardless of skill, won't be able to get good rec-letters, and we realize that most students that do get good letters, are more likely to be outspoken asslickers than good students.

So why do Americans insist on this recommendation letter obsession?