Timeline for What to remember when supervising female PhD students?
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| Jan 3, 2016 at 15:38 | comment | added | DVK | @ff524 - second curiosity - did the study correct for the Autism spectrum? Clearly people higher on the spectrum (IIRC, more likely to be male), are likely to APPEAR more assertive merely by having less than "nominal" level of social/emotional cue capability. Anecdotally, being on the high-functioning Asperger's end, I had to consciously train myself to LOOK HARD for when people I'm in a meeting with appearing like they're not comfortable, male or female - it simply doesn't come naturally to me like to a normal human. | |
| Jan 3, 2016 at 15:35 | comment | added | DVK | @ff524 - that's an awsome find! I'm mildly curious (and this is getting offtopic), did that research correct for general personality? I'm quite assertive (some people would call worse), but that's because I developed an assertive personality, in part consciously. First half of my life I was extremely timid and NON-assertive, both due to innate geek personality, specific upbringing, and being the youngest, smallest kid in my grade in a rather rough school. BOTH levels of assertiveness was the same me, simply shaping my personality and mindset. | |
| Jan 1, 2016 at 23:40 | comment | added | Blaisorblade | I've also observed one (out of two) female colleagues being underassertive, though not necessarily in language (unlike the article). @ff524 Metrics are proxies for the actually interesting things, and statistics summaries. Would those proxies have detected the above anecdote, or just the caricatures in the linked WP article? Does the statistics you quote say the effect size is insignificant for each case, rather than just on average? Averages matter for general actions, outliers matter for individual corrections. | |
| Dec 30, 2015 at 17:30 | comment | added | Phil Miller | The point of that article isn't how women of the exact same standing would have said them. It's how they would have to say those things to not be seen negatively by listeners, when the men who actually said them were seen positively. "I have [translated them] into the phrases a woman would have to use to say them during a meeting not to be perceived as angry, threatening or (gasp!) bitchy." | |
| Dec 30, 2015 at 11:36 | comment | added | ff524 | @G.L. I think it is common for many new students to be a little bit scared to disagree with their supervisor at first - see e.g. How do I stop feeling intimidated by my advisor? | |
| Dec 30, 2015 at 11:23 | comment | added | ff524 | That article you linked to seems obnoxious and mildly offensive to me. I realize it's meant to be humorous, but it's an exaggerated stereotype that sounds like no woman I know. The actual research shows that men use assertive speech more than women to a statistically significant but negligible degree. Per this meta-analysis "Assertive speech was hypothesized to be more likely among men than women. There was a statistically significant but negligible mean effect size of d = .09 (95% CI = .02 / .15)." | |
| Dec 30, 2015 at 5:19 | comment | added | G. L. | Yes, I have noticed that she was too deferential in our discussions and have told her that I expect her to speak up when she disagrees with me. It has become a little better already and I am keeping an eye on it. | |
| Dec 30, 2015 at 4:17 | history | answered | Patricia Shanahan | CC BY-SA 3.0 |