Timeline for Internships for PhD students (e.g. in data science or programming)
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| Jan 23, 2015 at 11:13 | comment | added | O. R. Mapper | @cbeleites: True, I was rather thinking of benefits within the university (or organisations in direct contact with it, such as public transportation, which can save well up to 1000€ a semester). The universities I know leave it up to doctoral candidates whether or not they want to register as students (who are then regular students, not guest students) in addition to being employed, in which case at any opportunity where student and employee benefits may apply, one can freely choose to use either the former or the latter. I think there is quite some variation there across states and places. | |
| Jan 23, 2015 at 10:34 | comment | added | cbeleites | @O.R.Mapper: there are significant benefits of the student status that you loose for sure with a full time job, namely the student status for social insurance (much lower fees e.g. for health insurance). You may not have noticed that as those fees are automaticically subtracted before the wage is payed out. Further it is AFAIK up to the university to decide whether you have student status or not. The universities I know use employee status for full-time employees: you then have employee benefits. Your student status would then be more like the student status of a Gasthörer (guest student). | |
| Jan 22, 2015 at 21:20 | comment | added | O. R. Mapper | @cbeleites: "you become a normal half-time employee, cannot get a student ID and loose all the benefits" - that must be university-specific. I know various universities in Germany where you (at least in CS) are employed as a full-time employee and can optionally keep your student ID to get many of the benefits (such as a significant discount on public transportation). | |
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| Nov 24, 2012 at 18:20 | comment | added | Piotr Migdal | @cbeleites When it comes to teaching, my institute is research-only. But in European univs its mostly this is a mandatory requirement, not an extra job. | |
| Nov 24, 2012 at 18:16 | comment | added | Piotr Migdal | @cbeleites (Better priv or chat, as comments here are not intended for a discussion) No; my main point is to get real experience in data science or programming. I believe that GSoC counts well on CV. But first, it's not easy to get it. Second, I want finally a project when I'm in office doing programming with others, who are in physical proximity (one of reason is also to see an alternative of almost always lonely work in TP, with feedback once a few months). | |
| Nov 24, 2012 at 18:07 | comment | added | cbeleites | @PiotrMigdal: so you are looking for a theoretical physics internship in industry? I don't think the "open source" is the convincing part of programs like GSoC. The convincing part is that being accepted for a project puts you into a top 800 worldwide category of students. And successfully finishing your project means that you have proven a very high level proficiency not only in programming but also in the soft skills necessary for finishing a project, integrating in a team and so on. There's also a wage, but IMHO having "successful participation in GSoC" on your CV is worth much more. | |
| Nov 24, 2012 at 18:03 | comment | added | Joe Kington | @cbeleites - It's essentially identical in the US (except for the 19.5 hour contract). You just take a leave of absence for a semester when you do an internship. You're not refusing a TA, you're just not enrolled for a semester. | |
| Nov 24, 2012 at 17:59 | comment | added | cbeleites | The 19.5 h/week derive from the fact that if you work for hire more than 20 h/week, you become a normal half-time employee, cannot get a student ID and loose all the benefits that come with student ID. There are also things like health insurance offering very low student rates (though I'm not sure whether/how much that applies for PhD students for sure it apples for undergrads, and it applies also for PhD students with scholarship). | |
| Nov 24, 2012 at 17:52 | comment | added | cbeleites | @JoeKington: Typically here, you have a working contract for teaching of 19.5 h/week (and teach much more). The vacations are then the only time when you actually can concentrate on your research. So you don't want to go working then also. The possibility not to do teaching at your institute is often only theoretical. The institutes have far too few employees to do the teaching, and it has to be done. If you refuse this, your institute will just be mad at you. I heard rumours some departments are considering to make teaching a prerequisite for the PhD degree... | |
| Nov 24, 2012 at 17:48 | comment | added | Piotr Migdal | @cbeleites Sure. My point was that I doing open source programming projects still does not count as doing theoretical physics, so doing open source internship (in general, I'm very for open stuff, see offtopicarium.wikidot.com/v1:open-science-2-0) most like would not help enough, when it comes to convincing advisor or institute. | |
| Nov 24, 2012 at 17:39 | comment | added | cbeleites | @PiotrMigdal: I don't understand your sentence "I doubt that I would help much for persuading" (the "for persuading"). Can you explain this a bit more, please? | |
| Nov 24, 2012 at 2:19 | comment | added | Piotr Migdal | As Joe mentioned, I expect to take a leave for the internship period. My main point of getting internship is not to get extra money, but valuable experience (both technical and of working in a company, which I never did). (Anyway, no teaching assistant part-time job at my place.) When it comes to GSoC - you brought an interesting option. However, I doubt that I would help much for persuading (except maybe for max 1 months instead of vacations; especially as my field is theoretical physics). Plus, daily f2f contact with other programmers are crucial for me (I code on my own, anyway.). | |
| Nov 23, 2012 at 23:52 | comment | added | Joe Kington | It's true that you're typically forbidden from doing other work for hire while you're employed by a university. However, for internships people take a leave of absence from graduate work for the duration of the intership (and therefore aren't forbidden from other work as they're not students for that time period). That's the case in most places in the US, at least, and I've been told it's the same in the UK, though I know nothing about the rest of Europe. | |
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| Nov 23, 2012 at 19:09 | history | answered | cbeleites | CC BY-SA 3.0 |