Timeline for Negotiating the number of articles during PhD
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| Sep 19, 2023 at 14:10 | vote | accept | Lilla | ||
| Sep 7, 2023 at 13:28 | comment | added | Christian Hennig | You write "I'm expected to...". I advise to try to find out in the first place what exactly the (written) rules are. It won't hurt you asking "what happens if I don't manage to do that". Also find out how a PhD thesis is ultimately assessed. If this is a fixed and set in stone rule, there is no way to negotiate, but you should try to know as precisely as possible what the rule actually is and how things work. Maybe it's just a recommendation and people quite regularly get away without doing that? (I've seen things communicated as "expectation" that were never enforced.) | |
| Sep 7, 2023 at 10:35 | answer | added | coffee_into_plots | timeline score: 1 | |
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| Jul 28, 2023 at 16:48 | comment | added | Nick S | While asking the students to publish X papers in journals does not seem the best approach to me for a supervisor (one big impactful paper can take longer and be worth more than 3 papers in top journals), your question basically boils down to "How can I do less than my supervisor expects for my PhD". | |
| Jul 28, 2023 at 15:26 | comment | added | Bryan Krause♦ | @EspeciallyLime There isn't a lot of room to maneuver there. The most sought after journals expect work to be somehow "impactful", often conditional on particular results; it's not fair to expect a graduate student must get the "right kind" of results those journals expect rather than merely perform solid work. The next tier of journals may typically practice good peer review practices, yet are also under pressure by their publisher to collect fees from authors. It's not always possible to know where those fall and not everyone agrees about which cross the line. | |
| Jul 28, 2023 at 15:12 | comment | added | Especially Lime | @BryanKrauseisonstrike I would interpret "good" to be a lot stronger than merely "not predatory". | |
| Jul 28, 2023 at 14:31 | comment | added | Bryan Krause♦ | You'll also see questions posted here by students dealing with the problem that their advisor wants them to publish their paper in Science and is willing to wait years passing the paper among journals of gradually decreasing stature, trying to get a high-profile paper for themselves, while their student just needs the paper to be published somewhere to graduate. A reasonable graduate program would see that the work already done to get something publishable is worth allowing graduation, let the thesis committee judge quality, and let the publishing process take place on its own timeline. | |
| Jul 28, 2023 at 14:11 | comment | added | Bryan Krause♦ | There isn't necessarily a red line between them, and it's common that journals once considered reputable are eventually seen as less than. | |
| Jul 28, 2023 at 14:05 | history | edited | user438383 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 28, 2023 at 14:04 | answer | added | Buffy | timeline score: 5 | |
| Jul 28, 2023 at 14:03 | comment | added | Lilla | @BryanKrauseisonstrike Except that I would need to publish in good journals, not predatory ones :-) Thank you for your comment | |
| Jul 28, 2023 at 14:01 | history | edited | Lilla | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 28, 2023 at 14:01 | comment | added | Bryan Krause♦ | These things aren't typically negotiable, especially not ahead of time, but they are really, really stupid policies. They encourage publishing in predatory journals, fabricating results, and salami slicing, and leave your graduation timeline up to editors and reviewers who cannot be expected to prioritize your graduation. Rather than negotiation, you could ask whether there is any typical flexibility in this rule (e.g., submitted papers count or some papers can 'count' for 2), and if not go somewhere else that has spent effort thinking about students and the implications of their policies. | |
| Jul 28, 2023 at 14:00 | history | edited | Lilla | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 28, 2023 at 13:53 | history | asked | Lilla | CC BY-SA 4.0 |