Timeline for What should I do about a tricky situation regarding a student who plagiarized twice?
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| Apr 25, 2023 at 19:53 | comment | added | Mattman944 | @Nelson - Worst case, the technically worthless people will have good management skills and somehow survive long enough to be your boss. | |
| Apr 25, 2023 at 10:27 | comment | added | Luke Sawczak | Please, please help us all by being hard on anything to do with A -- emphasis on A -- I. | |
| Apr 24, 2023 at 13:13 | comment | added | Captain Emacs | @Nelson "Sign saying useless"/"Ethics is difficult to teach/learn" - excellent points, as are your others. Better formulated than I would have. | |
| Apr 24, 2023 at 1:37 | comment | added | Nelson | My rationale is that skill can be taught in a predictable way, but ethics is going to be much more difficult, especially the desire to hide things and be a "yes" man. The last thing I need is for them to do something stupid and either cause millions of preventable damages or be sued into the ground. I've definitely made my fair share of mistakes, but the first thing I do is tell my boss ASAP and own up to the mistake. I just can't trust cheaters to do that, and them hiding it will always make it worse. | |
| Apr 24, 2023 at 1:35 | comment | added | Nelson | @CaptainEmacs I will also add to this from the corporate side (software development). Students who cheated in their education are basically worthless, and you can literally smell it on how they work. The verbal gymnastics, vagueness, aggressiveness, emotional pleas, etc. It's like a giant sign on their forehead that says "useless". I give them the benefit of the doubt, but eventually they'll really cheat during training by copying code from a colleague, and that's immediate dismissal. I don't bother explaining to them anything because it's within probation. They're just gone. | |
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| Apr 23, 2023 at 16:14 | comment | added | Captain Emacs | @Kubahasn'tforgottenMonica Well, you explain to them that they lose the game the moment they play it. Nobody cares much about their marks once they have been in the workforce for 1-2 years. They will be found out if they don't do the job well. They have failed in cheating, so they are not even effective on this level. I am quite blunt in telling this to students, and to make clear to them that the assessment is as much for their own benefit (in terms of feedback how they are doing) as to anyone else's. The argument of "unfairness" has long lost its edge, but this line seems to work a bit. | |
| Apr 23, 2023 at 16:11 | comment | added | Captain Emacs | It counts double. She submitted it already and thinks she gets a free pass? Basically, by withholding information she essentially cheated again the very moment she did not tell you about the second AI-written submission. This is reason for aggravation, not for lenience. | |
| Apr 23, 2023 at 13:34 | comment | added | Kuba hasn't forgotten Monica | @Dan Some students see points awarded as a game. Any means to get a good score are fair game as long as they pull it off. The "gamification" aspect is a known motivator, but of course not the only one. When it does become the main motivator, though, students become acting against their best interests, all while thinking that they are "winning". I'm not sure if the arms race has much to do with AI or new methods or cheating, or with social acceptance of widespread gamification. See any online learning service, including class management systems & on-screen confetti on assignment submittal :/ | |
| Apr 22, 2023 at 23:01 | comment | added | Dan | Quite honestly, I don't know where they come from. Agree it is "an evolutionary arms race," and I fear we are losing. | |
| Apr 22, 2023 at 22:31 | comment | added | Cheery | You have to admire the chutzpah of arguing that you got caught twice cheating, but that the second time should not count because ... I still don't understand the student's argument. Because they didn't know cheating was not allowed until you told them so? Some of these students argue like 4-year-olds. | |
| Apr 22, 2023 at 22:20 | comment | added | Dan | The problem is that I already told her she could rewrite the AI essay. At that point, I didn't know that she had just submitted a plagiarized journal assignment. Her "explanation," after she'd been caught, was that when she submitted the plagiarized work, she didn't know she'd be able to rewrite the plagiarized essay. She gave no explanation as to why she didn't tell me about the second plagiarized submission when we met. In your view, do I owe it to her to let her rewrite the essay, which I agreed to do before I knew she had plagiarized again? | |
| Apr 22, 2023 at 20:48 | history | answered | Cheery | CC BY-SA 4.0 |