Timeline for Citing paywalled articles accessed via illegal web sharing
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| Feb 28, 2019 at 15:13 | comment | added | cbeleites | Plus, we have on the author site now the right to make accepted manuscripts available (though not the publisher-typeset version) after an embargo period - regardless of what the publisher's contract says (inalienable right to secondary use). (My personal view is: with that we have substantial room for improvement without even starting to discuss further changes to copyright, and a lot could already be done before the need to pirate papers arises) | |
| Feb 28, 2019 at 15:07 | comment | added | cbeleites | @kap: yes. In Germany we have this variety of fair use that allows not-too large copies (i.e. not a whole book, but archiving the important portion so you're sure you'll be able to look it up again is OK) for personal and scientific (or teaching, btw) use in return for the VG Wort fees universities/university libraries pay. (VG Wort distributes these fees to authors and publishers). So it's not even that this use wasn't paid for. | |
| Feb 28, 2019 at 13:57 | comment | added | kap | @cbeleites basically what happens is: most paper are not available any more via the official channels, my institution abandoned many Springer publications as well. You just ask friends from other institutions or download somewhere on the internet. I got to find every paper I want so far. | |
| Feb 27, 2019 at 18:14 | comment | added | Acccumulation | "but it is probably a mistake (for your reputation) to flaunt illegal or unethical access." Plus, if the site gets shut down, that part of the citation will no longer be valid. | |
| Feb 27, 2019 at 17:16 | comment | added | cbeleites | @FedericoPoloni: at least Germany isn't as cut off as that News article suggests. I'm currently associated with an institution that doesn't have Elsevier access any more since January. However, there's an inter-library catalogue that shows which other libraries have a journal (example: zdb-katalog.de/title.xhtml?idn=020659016&vol=2019). In addition, the TIB (≈ national library for technical literature) even has a paper copy. All in all, it's not as convenient as it was, but our library will still get Elsevier papers I ask for via inter-library loan. | |
| Feb 27, 2019 at 7:40 | comment | added | Federico Poloni | If you are at a reputable university you can probably get legal access to nearly everything you need unless that university is in Germany, Sweden, Peru or Taiwan. | |
| Feb 27, 2019 at 6:59 | comment | added | Dave L Renfro | In fact, just two days ago I emailed a scanned copy of a fairly hard to obtain 1963 paper to someone in Poland who asked whether I had a copy of it, saying the scan was made from a photocopy made "sometime in 1991-1994" (I couldn't pin it down more precisely). | |
| Feb 27, 2019 at 6:56 | comment | added | Dave L Renfro | @guifa: MLA8 wants us to specify the "container" so if we got an article from JSTOR --- I don't know how that would apply to me (and I don't really care either) because I have literally tens of thousands of photocopied papers and paper preprints obtained since the mid 1980s (arguably the early 1960s if you count the preprint archive I received from a well known researcher in my field in the mid 1990s), from many dozens of libraries, and other than an occasional library stamp on a photocopied page or remembering where I got the paper from, I would have no way of knowing. (continued) | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 21:19 | comment | added | Reinstate Monica | If you have legal access through your university, "pirating" it certainly isn't unethical. | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 14:07 | comment | added | user0721090601 | @Anyon MLA8 wants us to specify the "container" so if we got an article from JSTOR we're supposed to cite JSTOR along with the article. It's the same article regardless, and most people just happily pretend they got it on paper to avoid doing it :-) I'm jus planning on taking it to the other extreme because to me a library is no different than JSTOR | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 14:03 | comment | added | Anyon | @guifa Could you expand on the MLA part, maybe with a link? It sounds wholly impractical. | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 13:43 | comment | added | user0721090601 | Or just don't cite the repository at all. I mean, if I have a paper copy.of the journal vs a scanned copy I get from another library vs a publisher-provided PDF and all are identical, the repository shouldn't matter and many (most?) style manuals don't require you to cite the exact location you obtained the copy except for rare one-of-a-kind works like medieval manuscripts, etc. (Although MLA started so in protest I've decided my next paper I'm going to cite every library involved in an ILL transaction to show how stupid it is) | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 13:22 | history | answered | Buffy | CC BY-SA 4.0 |