Timeline for Outsourcing trivial authorless work
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| Dec 11, 2018 at 19:54 | history | edited | J. Chris Compton | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Called out new information at the end. If I had known that I prob wouldn't have answered the question.
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| Dec 11, 2018 at 19:48 | comment | added | J. Chris Compton | @NuclearWang OP added the part "This is only for time reasons" after my answer. Certainly a code-illiterate person can use computer generated output in general. Can a non-coder use results from Microsoft Excel or SAS - absolutely! (And we don't know how those are coded.) But the question seems to be whether a non-coder can use output from a custom built program, which is built by someone who isn't a specialist (the undergrad) to verify a unique hypothesis... maybe not. (Again, the additional info that OP is able code it is new info) | |
| Dec 11, 2018 at 19:33 | comment | added | Nuclear Hoagie | I don't quite understand this answer, as it seems to suggest that there is no way for a code-illiterate person to make any use of computer-generated output, since they cannot verify what the coder did. | |
| Dec 10, 2018 at 22:43 | comment | added | Dan Romik | Thanks, your position is clearer now, which I think makes for a better answer. Upvoted. | |
| Dec 10, 2018 at 21:37 | comment | added | J. Chris Compton | @einpoklum "Why not edit your comment into the answer?" because I still read it the way I meant it. But when DanRomnik joined you in taking it the same way you did, I decided to change it. See what I wrote previous comment for what I meant to convey when I said, "Maybe not." | |
| Dec 10, 2018 at 21:30 | comment | added | J. Chris Compton | @DanRomik Yes, the OP said he wanted my opinion - but I think he is at least worried that it might be wrong and came here to get people to tell him how to make it okay. Notice the answer he accepted basically told him how to do what he wanted in the first place. Communicating my thoughts sometimes goes wrong, for example "Maybe not" was intended to say to everyone "That's not ethical to me, but you might be able to do enough lawyering prep work so no ethics board could actually find against you on this issue." Anyway, changed it. Hope it sounds consistent now (as I haven't changed my mind). | |
| Dec 10, 2018 at 21:07 | history | edited | J. Chris Compton | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Two people took my words "maybe not" to mean "it is probably okay" when I intended the opposit
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| Dec 10, 2018 at 17:00 | comment | added | einpoklum | @J.ChrisCompton: So why not edit your comment into the answer, instead of the "maybe not"? Replace it with "in my opinion, it is, but \n this is not the right question etc." | |
| Dec 10, 2018 at 16:31 | comment | added | Dan Romik | “I doubt OP will care my opinion on the ethics.” OP specifically asked whether it would be ethically wrong. This suggests that they care about your (and everybody else’s) opinion about ethics. It’s fine if you don’t want to comment about it, but you did actually state an opinion (“maybe not”) that suggests that you don’t feel strongly that it’s unethical, so your response to einpoklum where you now say that you “consider it wrong” makes you sound inconsistent. My suggestion is to edit your answer and either remove the ethics comment or give a clear statement of your position on this. | |
| Dec 10, 2018 at 15:45 | comment | added | J. Chris Compton | @einpoklum Do you mean where I say, "Maybe not" to it being ethically wrong? If so, please note I put that there because others have argued that under the right circumstances (agreement in advance, etc.) it would not be ethically wrong (at their institution / their field, presumably). I consider it wrong, and wouldn't advise it on a moral basis - but there are other answers here that say how to make it right ethically, and they seem to have valid points (regardless of my feelings). My main point is code correctness - sidestepping ethics because I doubt OP will care my opinion on the ethics. | |
| Dec 9, 2018 at 20:32 | comment | added | einpoklum | While I agree with the latter part of your answer, the first sentence is so wrong that I have to -1 you. It's terribly wrong. If you edit that out I would definitely upvote the fine point regarding verifying the code. | |
| Dec 8, 2018 at 0:44 | comment | added | user101106 | Anyone who thinks that they can get useful, valid work out of an short-term undergraduate is probably mistaken. Anyone who's trying to do so while shafting that person on credit and pay deserves to be mistaken. | |
| Dec 8, 2018 at 0:00 | history | answered | J. Chris Compton | CC BY-SA 4.0 |