Timeline for Just started a postdoc, but it went REALLY bad, REALLY fast. Stay or go?
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| May 15, 2021 at 0:56 | comment | added | episodeyang | @aloneprogrammer this is an underrated comment. | |
| Oct 15, 2018 at 22:44 | comment | added | Mithridates the Great | "consider gathering evidence and submitting it to the local police": I'm not sure cops will even know what the hell is post-doc to be able to intervene in this problem :) ! | |
| Oct 15, 2018 at 19:44 | comment | added | Jeffrey J Weimer | Thanks. Well stated. I've upvoted accordingly. | |
| Oct 15, 2018 at 14:11 | comment | added | Tommi | @JeffreyJWeimer You make a good point about sticking to verifiable claims. Thanks. I added a paragprah. The way to tell that someone is abusive is precisely to tell what happened and stick to the truth. | |
| Oct 15, 2018 at 14:09 | history | edited | Tommi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 15, 2018 at 13:22 | comment | added | Jeffrey J Weimer | @user2258552 An assumption is required. I have no grounds to make such an assumption. Regardless of the prior level of trust that anyone else has with the OP, they given second hand information that could be false in that instance. The OP must be qualified to apply the label. Being qualified to label a person "abusive" is a bar the OP likely does not meet. The best the OP can do is to make factual statements about the incident. Here we agree. The call for the OP to "spread the word (that the person is abusive)" is otherwise misplaced. This is not an opinion, it is an ethical stand. | |
| Oct 14, 2018 at 23:54 | comment | added | user12655 | Factual statements are not unethical. Assuming OP is telling the truth, it is quite obvious that this supervisor is abusive. Insinuating that a person is 'dense' because your opinion differs with theirs is, however, unethical. | |
| Oct 14, 2018 at 18:27 | comment | added | Jeffrey J Weimer | The best way to "spread the word" is NOT by calling a person abusive. It is by framing the incidents that occurred in an un-qualified, objective manner. The actions were abusive. Whether the person behind them should be labeled as abusive is a not a call the OP is qualified to make, nor should he be asked (indeed here told) to make it. Certainly the OP should not be told to call a person abusive regardless of the trust leve at the other end. By example, since your reply has not recognized this, would I be OK now to label you as dense? I have a lot of folks who "trust my judgement". | |
| Oct 12, 2018 at 20:40 | comment | added | Tommi | @JeffreyJWeimer I stand by spreading the word if someone is genuinely abusive; otherwise, they will continue the abuse. I edited in a couple of words to have you spread the word among the people who trust you, not everyone. | |
| Oct 12, 2018 at 20:39 | history | edited | Tommi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
a few additional words to the final sentence
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| Oct 12, 2018 at 17:05 | comment | added | Jeffrey J Weimer | I absolutely cannot condone the manner used to recommend to "spread the word ... all the people you know ... (this person is abusive)". Bad-mouthing anyone by labelling them as abusive, regardless of the validity of the statement, is absolutely NOT professional and may border on being unethical. I hope this post might be edited to make a recommendation "spread the word" that is followed by what and how to do so in a professional manner rather than in a seemingly vindictive one. | |
| Oct 12, 2018 at 7:03 | history | answered | Tommi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |