I am a junior faculty member at a research university. I am working with postdoc A on a project. Postdoc A's PI, Dr. B, works in the same university, but is affiliated with another department. Prior to starting the project, postdoc A and I have agreed that we would work on the project during their spare time. We did not inform Dr. B about this arrangement. When the project is about half-way done, Dr.B found out that A is working with me on the project. Dr.B approached me and told me that all postdoc A's projects have to go through them, and claimed that postdoc A could get fired by the school if the school found out that postdoc A is publishing papers without their PI.

My questions:

  1. Is it true that all projects of a postdoc have to go through their PI (even if the research is conducted during the postdoc's spare time)?

  2. Do I have the obligation to let Dr.B know about my collaboration with postdoc A, given that we agree to work on the project during A's spare time? (I know as a courtesy to a colleague, I probably should have informed Dr.B about it before the project starts...)

  3. What can I do at this point to make sure postdoc A's career is not affected by this incident?

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    Dr. B sounds ridiculous, but unfortunately sometimes ridiculous people end up in positions of power. Anyways, we cannot evaluate Dr B's claim that the postdoc can be fired for this extracurricular work, because we have not seen the postdoc's contract...
    – ff524
    Jul 1 '16 at 3:22
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    I routinely collaborated with people outside of my institute/institution on my own in my days as a doctoral candidate. Albeit somewhat tangential to the question, it would be interesting to know whether Dr. B would see doctoral candidates as having rather more or even less leeway in organizing their concrete research activities than postdocs. Jul 1 '16 at 7:15
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    IMHO this situation is at least abusive in all terms toward academic research.
    – Nikey Mike
    Jul 1 '16 at 9:42
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    While Dr. B does sound ridiculous, that fact has been brought to light by less than stellar behavior on Dr. A and the postdoc's side. Communication communication communication. If I want to take advantage of some staff member's expertise, I ask them and their manager. Blindsiding people is a really bad thing to do, as you have found out. Yes, perhaps Dr. B is being unreasonable. You and the postdoc were, frankly, similarly unreasonable. Go fix it with Dr. B.
    – Jon Custer
    Jul 1 '16 at 15:32
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    The question starts with the wrong word. Postdocs must conduct research with people who are not their PI.
    – JeffE
    Jul 1 '16 at 17:11
  1. It is likely not legally binding that postdoctoral activity must go through the supervisor, especially not if the additional work was beyond "normal working hours" and uncompensated. For example, if the postdoc had wished to donate time to a charity, no permission from the supervisor would be necessary. However,

  2. Yes, you and Postdoc A had a professional obligation to inform Dr. B about your collaboration, especially if it was intended to result in publication and was not just for Postdoc A to learn something new. Dr. B has committed to training and advising Postdoc A, and Dr. B's financial and intellectual commitment to Postdoc A makes your unpaid collaboration possible. Also, you might be hard-pressed now (after the fact) to demonstrate convincingly that none of the work ever took time from the projects with Dr. B. Therefore,

  3. You should take the fall for this one. Apologize to Dr. B, say that you should have known better and that you wrongly advised Postdoc A. Offer review and editing of the manuscript and possibly minor authorship to Dr. B. Or, collaboration on a follow-up project. Give a gift of coffee, tea, or a favorite food (I have found this to be a surprisingly effective apology strategy with academics -- citing my personal experience here).

Citation for all advice -- personal experience in the lab of another Dr. B, watching another Postdoc A.

  • Offers of (minor) authorship should come with assumptions of earning that authorship, one hopes.
    – Tommi
    May 15 '19 at 9:59

"Can" is a very vague way to answer this, as it will depend on many factors - like the policies of Dr. B's lab, and if said postdoc wants their contract renewed. Or university policy (never underestimate the detail of university policy). But there's no universal, legally binding policy regarding this.

Do they? Yes, all the time. Probably a good 50% of the publications that came out of my postdoc were from outside my PI's lab.

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