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The consensus on academic jobs seems to be that we are sending far too many students to graduate school to train for jobs that will not be there when they graduate. Despite this, most of my undergraduate students have aspirations for graduate school. In part I believe that this is due to a saturation of exclusively academic role models during their time in college.

Since virtually all of my experience is in academia and I have basically succeeded in getting a tenure track position, I feel ill equipped to advise these students in making decisions about their future and showing them alternative role models.

Where can I get the experience and resources to show students that would potentially benefit from considering alternatives to an academic career that high quality alternatives exist?

(NOTE: I am in the natural sciences so answers specific to science would be great but if a cross-discipline answer exists, that would be ideal)

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  • Excellent question! This is a crucial, and often neglected, part of advising students. And it's not only at the undergrad level, but also at the end of their grad school years…
    – F'x
    Oct 24, 2012 at 15:54
  • You haven't mentioned which field you are in, but in CS the desire to go to grad school (MS/PhD) is driven by earnings and prospects in industry as well as academia. In fact more students look for industry jobs by choice after a grad degree.
    – Suresh
    Oct 25, 2012 at 6:11

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Here I briefly describe two ideas regarding to what a professor can do in this situation.

  1. Keep contact with former students: Frequently, professors establish relationship with students during classes or during an undergraduate or master's thesis. Probably, maintaining these relationships after students graduate may give you some interesting points of view regarding jobs in the industry. You can just send an email to a former student in order to ask her about her job or you can invite former students to give a talk in one of your classes.

  2. Establish relationships with actors in the industry: If students are required to take an internship, you can contact institutions that receive students for internship and suggest those institutions candidates that you know. I suppose that if you are able to refer to them good students, you can continue the relationship with those institutions.

Another alternative would be to engage in professional activities in the industry. However, this depends on whether you are interested in working as a consultant or something similar.

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In our university, we have good experiences with inviting alumni who are now in industry to give career-oriented talks. The students know that the person giving the talk was in the same study program as they are now, and I guess just this alone helps them to see possible role models in the persons giving talks. The best talks are when alumni not only report about the technical points of the project they are working on, but also give a more personal account of their development towards their current job.

These talks are organized by the alumni organisation of the study program, which certainly helps getting the contacts to potential speakers. But I can also imaging getting these contacts in other ways.

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    As a PhD student, I can say that it is rather daunting to listen to all those alumni because only the succesful alumni get invited. That means that it seems like the path to success is easy, whereas in reality, not everybody can succeed...
    – gerrit
    Oct 24, 2012 at 19:38
  • @gerrit yet it seems best to learn and get advice from those who succeeded, doesn't it?
    – F'x
    Oct 24, 2012 at 20:23
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    @F'x To learn, yes it does, of course :). But it would also be interesting to hear a "what about plan B?" presentation. I don't mean from someone who ended up as a drug-addict in the gutter, but still alternative routes if one doesn't succeed to get a tenure-track position at all.
    – gerrit
    Oct 24, 2012 at 20:52
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    Do not define success=tenure and do not listen to the Impostor Syndrome.
    – JeffE
    Oct 25, 2012 at 0:40
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    @gerrit: The idea in this series is not to invite especially successful people, but rather those that have a quite normal job in industry. Of course, as you note, it wouldn't make much sense to invite someone with a totally failed career. Also, there are much more contacts to younger alumni, so many speakers are still at an early stage of their career.
    – silvado
    Oct 25, 2012 at 8:07
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My university is only engineering, but I'll try to answer. The administration is working hard to allow graduate program internships (coops), as they are successful at the undergrad level. The other angle is that there are two flavors of master's degree: professional and research. The former is not an academic career path. Most students already have an idea where they want to go when they register, and the ratio is about 4:1.

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