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I've heard from people that generally, it's a bad idea to go to the same school as your undergrad to get your graduate education.

However, in the situation that you get into only your undergrad school and a few much-lower ranked grad schools, what would be the better school to pursue?

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    Please edit your post to clarify (1) whether you are referring to masters or doctoral level studies, (2) what field of study, and (3) what the end goal is (instead of "which is better," ask "which is better for X") – ff524 Sep 11 '14 at 16:49
  • In my discipline (chemical engineering), very few departments admit their own undergraduates. The only exceptions is when they are pursuing a terminal master's, or if they applied but failed to get into a "better" or "similarly ranked" school. (Neither of these are "universal" policies, by the way!) – aeismail Sep 11 '14 at 18:33
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I've heard from people that generally, it's a bad idea to go to the same school as your undergrad to get your graduate education.

The word "generally" is commonly used in two rather different senses. The first sense is "typically", "most often". The second sense -- perhaps more common in mathematical and scientific writing -- is "always", or "in the largest possible scope which might be applied". The quoted advice is valid if "generally" is construed in the former sense, not the latter. To briefly explain: on the one hand, there are advantages to acquiring a diversity of experience. "Great University X" will do its business in a way which is slightly different from "Great University Y". Experiencing this is very valuable, because if you stay in academia you will probably be affiliated with several more universities, different from each of these. If all of your student experience is at a single place, you will have subconsciously internalized the universality of your experience, and you'll be in for a rude awakening when you learn that what is obviously best to you is not the practice in your new environment. Then too, by going to different great universities, you meet different great people (many of whom will know each other and will be in transit to/from other great universities), both students and faculty. This is also very valuable.

On the other hand, there are situations where it is most advantageous to stay where you are. For instance there are sometimes personal, family or financial considerations. Even neglecting these, there are times that the university you attended as an undergraduate is truly the uniquely best option for you to continue your studies, or the best option among those available to you. If you are an undergraduate at UCLA, if you want to study analysis, and if you did not get admitted to Berkeley, MIT, Chicago, Princeton or Stanford, then staying where you are sounds like an excellent (perhaps optimal) choice academically. If you've already done successful research with a top faculty member at your current program and you truly want to continue that research most of all: yes, think seriously about staying right where you are.

The other answer says that graduate school rankings is "a little ridiculous". While I don't really disagree, let me try to put a finer point on that: grad school rankings are ridiculous if you take them too seriously, and especially if you regard them as a strict linear ranking. It does not matter that US News and World Report currently thinks that MIT is the best mathematics department in the US whereas in past years it used to think it was some combination of Harvard / Princeton / Berkeley. It would be more honest and more helpful if they simply recorded that these departments and several others (Chicago, Stanford,...) are in the uppermost echelon of graduate programs in mathematics. Asking whether Harvard is better than Stanford is ridiculous: it depends upon what you're studying. (If you want to study analysis, don't go to Harvard unless you know you want to work with the one faculty member there who does that.)

Students should be thinking of departments in terms of echelons. Within a given echelon, ranking is not helpful. However, barring some truly exceptional circumstances you want to go to a program in the top echelon that accepts you. As a corollary to this: if your undergraduate institution is in the top 10, and every other program you've gotten into isn't in the top 30, then yes, I think you should stay where you are, unless you have a very good reason to go to a lower-ranked department (best reason: there is a superstar there that has agreed to work with you).

Finally though I have to say that I find it slightly odd that the OP has apparently gone to a top department, been admitted as a student to that top department, but not at any other department of comparable quality. That suggests to me that her application is not as strong as it could be, as those who know her in real life apparently value her more highly.

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  • Thanks for your response. This is merely a hypothetical situation - I am currently only in my sophomore year. However, I know a number of seniors from my school who were only accepted to our school for grad school, and was wondering how to weigh one's options at this point. – jj172 Sep 11 '14 at 18:26
  • @jj172: If the number of seniors that you know is more than one, I would strongly wonder whether something strange is going on. What field are you in? – Pete L. Clark Sep 11 '14 at 20:18
  • I'm doing Computer Science but the seniors I know are in physics/applied physics – jj172 Sep 11 '14 at 20:20
  • Hmm. Caltech is certainly a top school in these areas. It seems curious. – Pete L. Clark Sep 11 '14 at 20:22
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    @jj172: Of course, there are Caltech students who are less than stellar. What's strange is that they are then being admitted to graduate school at Caltech. I wonder (in fact I have no direct experience with Caltech whatsoever, almost uniquely so among American Universities of its caliber) whether this has something to do with the insularity one often sees at smaller schools. For instance, at many very small liberal arts colleges it just so happens that much of the faculty there were undergraduates at the very same college: what a coincidence... – Pete L. Clark Sep 11 '14 at 20:28
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In a forced choice, I'd go to the same, rather than inferior school.

"Diversity" is a good idea when you can get into a comparably good school, or better than the one where you did your undergraduate degree. Then you will get a choice of viewpoints that will (hopefully) make you a broader, more qualified candidate.

These advantages (mostly) disappear when your additional choices are all worse than what you have. This is what master investor Peter Lynch called "diworsesification," which you might not want to do.

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I've heard from people that generally, it's a bad idea to go to the same school as your undergrad to get your graduate education.

I think the underlying, and unmentioned, assumption on this statement is that you should not go to the same school as your undergrad, but rather you should go to a BETTER one. This would be consistent with my experience that many, possibly most, faculty at departments that consider themselves to be the best, do not often recommend their students to take a step down to study elsewhere (and if you consider yourself the best, everywhere else is lower).

That said, graduate school ranking, especially for PhD studies, is a little ridiculous. More important than the rank of your university, school, department, is the reputation of your primary advisor. But even that is not nearly as important as the quality of your research. While better ranked schools/departments/groups tend to have better faculty and resources there is considerable variation.

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  • Thanks! What do you mean by "you should not go to the same school as your undergrad, but rather you should go to a BETTER one"? What if your undergrad school is already one of the best in its field? And in the case that you don't get into any graduate schools with a equal or better reputation, is it not really worth it to pursue higher education at lower-reputation schools? – jj172 Sep 11 '14 at 18:28

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