I am an international student. I am applying for PhD and started last year immediately after defending the thesis. I've got a very good GPA (3.87) and a resume. Some articles, many certificates, and good language score (7 IELTS). I have got some unique interests. I sent emails to many universities. last year I met with a professor from Ivy League University via Zoom, and they told me that the admission is highly competitive with more than 300 applicants and just 3 admitted ones. I applied and got rejected. Then to a high-ranking university in the USA, I met with a professor, they told me it was competitive and that 70 applications, 5 (max) were admitted. I applied and got rejected. I also applied to 2 other universities that waived my application and I got rejected too. Because our country's currency is very low I decided to only apply to programs if I am invited to a meeting as it increases my chances. But I don't know why I was invited to meet with top universities and in the end rejected. I asked professors what is the reason they said your docs were fine but it is competitive. I have no idea what to do. I am depressed and happy at the same time but not getting good results is disappointing. What should I do? Any opinions? In my field, most of the university's program decisions are made by committees. I like to work in my interests and I like to get into a good university, but I don't focus on it. I think good supervisors are important too. If you have any ideas, opinions, or experience to help me I would be grateful. Thanks
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1Many acdemic departments have web pages with contact information about their graduate students and links to their personal web pages. By examining these, you can get some information on their backgrounds. How does your experience compare?– Brian BorchersCommented Apr 25 at 16:41
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I have yo say publishing in my field is hard. No one had publications. What catched my eyes is they graduated from top universities in USA and in the world. They had TA experience. I have got RA, so it's ok. Nothing else I can tell you really. Even from the publication I can tell that one of the students that graduated from Ivy league university that I applied to went to another university and working there, he got just 3 publications as a professor. And I have to say the universities I applied to just get a few number 3-5 and all full fund. No one can come there self funded.– user187068Commented Apr 25 at 16:47
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1Given clarifications, I'm inclined to think this is a duplicate of our standard graduate school apps question for the US. How are Ph.D. applications evaluated in the US, particularly for weak or borderline students? Am I likely to get into school X?– user176372Commented Apr 25 at 18:06
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I am surprised that you are really asking why did they invite you for an interview and then reject you. This is the normal procedure for any job or position: you invite several candidates and chose the best fitting one(s), the others don't get the position. So you weren't the best fit obviously. Are you really that naive to think that invitation for an interview = guaranteed admission?– SursulaCommented May 15 at 8:03
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No I don't but others didn't lie about the program. I explained the story in other comments.– user187068Commented May 15 at 9:54
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Overall: By conventional wisdom, you applied to too few programs. Applying to a substantial number of institutions with a greater range of "prestige" (i.e., money per capita) is a typical strategy that has a higher chance of yielding offers.
If application fees constricted your ability to apply more widely, the following is maybe useful. Many departments which require application fees generally have a facility for waiving them for applicants to whom they pose a genuine financial hardship.
I'd think that it's a better strategy to research PhD programs that you could be happy with, then contact department staff rather than professors to inquire about application fee waivers. This may not yield 100% success at getting a waiver in the end, and it will be more work than if you could pay directly. But it's a lot more likely to yield success than reaching out to professors. Profs. get a lot of spam in the genre "I'd like to do a PhD with you", but also are unlikely to individually control application fees.
With this strategy, you can hopefully afford to apply to many more reasonable programs.
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Actually I did contact to raise my chance of admission not waiving fees. I ask staff after meeting if they may waive, but if they do not waive I apply anyway. Thanks for your comment– user187068Commented Apr 25 at 18:01
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@aghani_bayan Then it may be particularly useful to add a subject area tag to your question. In math, no amount of contacting professors is likely to raise your chances of admission. But I'm lead to understand that this can vary field-to-field. Commented Apr 25 at 18:03
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Yes I think chance play main role, more than you may think. Let's see what is destined for me– user187068Commented Apr 25 at 18:04
People are going to disagree with me on this, but in my opinion there are really two tiers of US universities:
- Ivy League
- Everyone else
And even that distinction is perhaps suspect.
I'll go further and say that at the grad school level, university rankings don't really affect your future career nearly as much as the quality of your advisor and their experience in research.
While it's true that more highly-ranked universities tend to attract more qualified researchers, that's not universally the case.
So my advice is to ignore university rankings completely, look for people that are doing interesting work in the field that you want to work in, and reach out to them directly, regardless of what their university is.
Finally, to co-opt an old saying, "a PhD in hand is worth two in the bush".
If you're set on "Ivy League or Nothing", you may end up 5 years from now with no PhD, which is likely going to be much worse for your career goals than having a PhD from a "lower ranked" university.
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2@aghani_bayan They invite you to apply because that's how you find out if your CV is good enough. They know if they tell you not to apply then your chance is exactly zero because you haven't applied. If they're getting 300 applicants and admitting 3, probably a lot of the 300 have great applications and yet won't be admitted because there are only 3 slots. It's not their job individually to decide if you are admitted or not, and they can't decide based on your application, they have to compare you to 300 other applicants to decide. That's a big job.– Bryan Krause ♦Commented Apr 25 at 17:47
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2Some professors don't answer at all probably because they get dozens or hundreds of emails, it would take them a lot of time to answer them all, and it's not their job to tell you to apply or not.– Bryan Krause ♦Commented Apr 25 at 17:49
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2. My point is if I invited to apply by professors why they cannot help me go get into, and if my CV is not good enough why they invite me. Because they are being diplomatic and also are not guarantying you admission (As well as the reasons noted by Bryan). Commented Apr 25 at 18:22
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2@aghani_bayan My point was mainly that you seem to mention university rankings quite a bit, when what really matters for grad school is the research caliber of your advisor. A great advisor at a lower ranked university is going to be a great experience, and you'll be more likely to get in.– lfalinCommented Apr 25 at 20:29
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1As for your question about why they invite you vs why you don't get in later, that's quite likely because when they invite you to interview, it's because they find your application interesting, but that's in isolation. When you apply later, your application is no longer being selected based on how interesting it is, but based on how competitive it is in relation to the 300 other applicants.– lfalinCommented Apr 25 at 20:30