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Hi, how would you consider an offer of around 8000 shekels (ca 2400 Euros or 2460 US Dollars) in Israel for a postdoc position?

A bit of context: it would be a 3rd postdoc, applicant's age 36 yo, with international experience (4 countries), including R&D in multinational corporations and a second master degree (I mean in addition to bachelor, master and PhD).

Note 1: the first offer was around 6,100 shekels per month. Then, it became around 8,000 shekels per month.

Note 2: According to the website Glassdoor, the average monthly salary of a PhD student in Israel is 8,047 shekels per month (Ref.1) , while the average monthly salary of a postdoc is 10,489 shekels per month (Ref.2).

Note 3: From April 2022, the minimum monthly wage in Israel would be 5,400 shekels per month (Ref.3), while the average monthly salary for Israel would be 11,667 shekels per month (Ref.4) (in September 2021).

EDIT --> Note 4: As far as I understood, the contract would be for a trial period (up to 6 months), and, based on achievements/performance, the contract would be extended to "several years" (and I guess still as postdoc, but just my guess)..

Any thought is very welcome!

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    Note that 8000NIS scholarship is tax-free (while the average of 11k you state is before tax). In STEM fields, postdocs in Israel commonly get ~10,000NIS, Phd students ~8500, MS.c Students ~7000. In non-STEM fields there are less funding options and the amounts might be smaller.
    – Ran G.
    Mar 4, 2022 at 12:12
  • @RanG. please note that it is not acceptable to use scholarships to replace working contracts, especially at the PostDoc level.
    – EarlGrey
    Mar 4, 2022 at 12:57
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    Thanks everyone for your comments, very interesting! @Nobody, the field would be multidisciplinary / physics
    – Ommo
    Mar 4, 2022 at 13:38
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    To obtain an estimate, compare your current city and salary with the potential future salary and city here: numbeo.com/cost-of-living
    – EarlGrey
    Mar 4, 2022 at 14:40
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    This seems like an awful offer, but it really depends on your personal circumstances. The pay is very low and the contract duration is very short. I was paid more as a first year PhD student, and that's a long time ago. Mar 4, 2022 at 18:17

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an offer of around 8000 shekels

average monthly salary for Israel would be 11,667 shekels per month

If the average salary is a realistic value, I think it is a very good offer, if and only if one of these two conditions is true:

  • it allows you to get an unlimited visa for working in Israel and in the following 2-3 months you find an average position with an average salary
  • accepting the position you are guaranteed you will have a professorship or at least permanent employment afterwards (and you are 100% sure you would accept such a professorship/permanent contract).

Otherwise it is just exploitation: you are doing independent research work as a PostDoc and you are paid less than the average worker in a country? That's despicable, such behavior should not be promoted nor accepted and it should be called out. Please name at least the field and the University.

You are doing your 3rd PostDoc, probably in a 3rd different country: what are your motivations? what is your plan A? what is your plan B?

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    I am a hard time understanding what you are saying in this answer. What makes you think there would be a guarantee of a professorship afterwards??
    – xLeitix
    Mar 4, 2022 at 12:49
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    @xLeitix In short: I am only saying this offer is appalling, even more considering the first offer was around 6,100 shekels per month, unless there are future benefits attached. I am in no way thinking there is a guarantee of professorship afterwards, but it may be the case as such kind of offer is(was) possible in other countries.
    – EarlGrey
    Mar 4, 2022 at 12:52
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    "I am only saying this offer is appalling" You should edit the answer so it actually says that. Mar 4, 2022 at 18:18
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    @EarlGrey Yes you can. For example, replace the sentence with "This offer is exploitation unless one of these conditions is true:" Mar 7, 2022 at 13:57
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    EarlGrey I agree with @AnonymousPhysicist here. You can certainly be clearer. Starting an answer with a sentence that contains "this is a very good offer" simply does not communicate "this is bad offer", even if you add a lot of unrealistic conditions to it. Why not write "This is a terrible offer unless the (highly unlikely) following things are true:"?
    – xLeitix
    Mar 13, 2022 at 11:10

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