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Mar 8, 2015 at 17:39 comment added Davidmh @Kostas In Sweden you have to have funding to do a PhD. Anti slavery laws forbid doing otherwise. Supervisors get funding specifically to hire PhD students, as is stated literally in their funding applications. Also, my official status with the university is of full time employee (but with rights to student discounts).
Mar 8, 2015 at 4:07 comment added Relaxed Incidentally, I don't think that it's what the question is about at all. It's not PhD candidates wages, it's about the costs of running (expensive) experiments, which you only briefly allude to in one sentence at the end without providing any concrete info.
Mar 8, 2015 at 4:04 comment added Relaxed @Kostas This most definitely does not apply to the Netherlands. And it's also highly misleading for France, Germany, Switzerland and probably all your other other examples. It's true that in many cases you can technically be hired for some related project/teaching. But as you conceded already, in many places/disciplines, you just cannot do a PhD if there are no funds and no position for you. In this context, it makes no sense to write that “It is not anyone's responsibility to provide any costs”…
Mar 8, 2015 at 3:15 comment added Blair MacIntyre @Kostas It depends on the country and the degree. Why are you being rude to Nate? As you say, the European model does not guarantee funding/a job. In the US, however, most of the science/computer fields guarantee funding for all PhD students as long as they are in good standing. Our students get their tuition covered, and receive a stipend each month. In the humanities, on the other hand, there may not be such guarantees. Nate's point is reasonable and accurate: it varies by country and field. Arguing about it without knowing those is pointless.
Oct 12, 2014 at 9:16 comment added Xxxo In what @Moriarty has a slight point is that many PROFESSORS accept PhD candidates only if they do have a funding going on. But this is way too far from accounting PhD as a job with a responsibility for a wage. In other words, no university has in his budget a field that is called "PhD candidates' wage".
Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 comment added Xxxo @NateEldredge, I do not know how a "country" [sic] can disagree. What I know is that a PhD is just another degree and any candidate is just a student. Post-graduate, but still a student. Also, I know that in most of (if not all) of Western European countries there is NOT a wage for a PhD. This applies to France, England, Swiss, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Italy, Germany etc. IF someone is having an income from his PhD is just because his supervisor has "hired" him for a funding project. NOT for doing PhD. Maybe the project is on the same discipline as the PhD but this just happens.
Oct 5, 2014 at 15:38 comment added Nate Eldredge It would be helpful to state the field and country from which your experience comes. As @Moriarty says, your answer is not applicable to all fields and all countries.
Oct 5, 2014 at 11:17 comment added Moriarty "Typically, a PhD is not a job and thus a candidate does not have to have wage. Thus, it is not anyone's responsibility to provide any costs." A lot of western European countries disagree with that.
Oct 5, 2014 at 9:51 history answered Xxxo CC BY-SA 3.0